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NYC/London congestive pricing (Eyewitness News)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2026 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
W.B.:

If you do "venture forth", I will, of course, be very much interested as to the status of older equipment on the "Bee".

WHY the need to go with electronic fare cards will always allude me; does EVERYTHING have to be "hi-tech" just because we are now in the "highly advanced" 21st century Rolling Eyes

Personally, as far as "high-tech" is concerned, I only go as far as "Buzz Lightyear", and no "foither"(!!)

Still wierd to think that, when the veteran "Brighton Belle" R-68s are finally retired, the fleet will be 100% "NTT", with nary a nod to the old "tried and true"......... Sad

"NYO"

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I did my expedition at 59th and Columbus "Coicle" today. On the "Bee":
- 5 consists were R-68A
- 4 were R-68
- and 5 were the new R-211A's (none of them, alas, open gangway; within the 3400 to 3700 range)

On the "Dee," all consists were the Westinghouse-Amrail "Brighton Belles."

But now, on the "Ay" and "See," only R-179's and R-211's are running - not a single R-46 in sight, a sure sign their days are pretty much over, if not totally so (they only run on the Rockaway Park Shuttle, N, Q and W now).

I'll have to check one of these days the situation on the "Bee-Em-Tee," and see if it changed from when I was last on.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2026 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

Thanks for your report.....EAGERLY awaited, here! Wink

Good to see at least SOME of the now-veteran " Brighton Belle" R-68s are still in "sovice".

Your's Truly finds it so ironic that NTTs now rule the "C"; tradionally, for most of the time, the oldest equipment was assigned to this route (I still recall when it only operated during rush hours)

I can remember (on the "CC" in the mid-70s) "Arnines". then, for many years, the "Thunderboid" Artens (now, the "CC" was the "C")

I remember too, briefly, when "R-44/46" being on the "CC" very early 80s, before going back to "Artens".

Then, for a few years, the "Redboids on sterioids" ("R-27/R-30"s)", until the GOH'd "Brightliners".

These are what I last remember, when I retired back in 2004..........

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2026 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.........with the last true stronghold of the faithful old "Fordy-Fors" over on "The Isle of Staten" now under NTT rule, transit buffs are now finding less and less to ride and to photograph, regarding the "Old Guard". Sad

Looks like the Rockaways will see the very last of the old 'Fordy-Fours", at some time in the not-too-distant-future........ Sad

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2026 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
.........with the last true stronghold of the faithful old "Fordy-Fors" over on "The Isle of Staten" now under NTT rule, transit buffs are now finding less and less to ride and to photograph, regarding the "Old Guard". Sad

Looks like the Rockaways will see the very last of the old 'Fordy-Fours", at some time in the not-too-distant-future........ Sad

"NYO"

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Actually, it's the "Fordy-Sixes" that will likely close out their careers in "da Rockaways," but . . . as some would put it, "same difference." Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2026 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Furthermore, though not directly related to our situation but rather, given the comparisons of "See-Bee-Tee-See" to Disney monorail technology, here's this video to show . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNXR6tW6VU0
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2026 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

Thanks for the correction! Wink

I had "hoid" about the Disneyland monorail power failure earlier; it is obvious that the current trainsets (and control systems) are equipped with far more hi-tech "Buzz Lightyear" electronic wizardry than early generations.

Don't get me started on that insipid "AIRTRAIN", which would certainly be more appropriate for a theme park......... Razz

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2026 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Married Pairs",etc........

Recall, eons ago, when subway cars were all single units, with cabs at each end?

On "the tubes", the very last single-unit cars were the 1958 "joint service "PRR/H&M cars.

Today, ft course, we have sets comprised of multiple cars

Last single-unit cars to operate on the "Isle of Staten" were the 1925 "ME-1s".

Then, too, recall trailers; the "modern" IND only rostered motor cars, unlike the older IRT and BMT.

The "Aitch & EM", likewise, never rostered trailers (the SIRT, however, did roster a number of trailers)......

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2026 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also:

When PATH's "PA"-class was introduced in 1965, they came in two different styles.

There were the cab-equipped "A" cars and the "C" cars (no cabs)..........

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2026 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On this day in 1955, the "foist" of the new "R-16s" entered service on the BMT's #15 Jamaica line............

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?128579

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2026 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A new era dawns on the "Bee-Em-Tee", 1955 (never took long for those pantograph gates to sport scuff marks)...........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?128581

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2026 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same location, 2017.............

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?150001

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2026 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting thought..........

Recall the darkest days of 1981, when over 2,100 subway cars failed to answer the "call to duty", due to years of deferred maintainence and rampant vandalism.

Now.........

Imagine those "dark days" being with us at the present.........how would today's Ultra high-tech subway fleet fare, if suffering the fromthe insideous affects of years of severe negect?

And, remember, the old SMEEs were BUILT LIKE TANKS (and built right here in America!) and yet, look at how seriously they suffered, back in the early 1980s......ya gotta think...........

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2026 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Interesting thought..........

Recall the darkest days of 1981, when over 2,100 subway cars failed to answer the "call to duty", due to years of deferred maintainence and rampant vandalism.

Now.........

Imagine those "dark days" being with us at the present.........how would today's Ultra high-tech subway fleet fare, if suffering the fromthe insideous affects of years of severe negect?

And, remember, the old SMEEs were BUILT LIKE TANKS (and built right here in America!) and yet, look at how seriously they suffered, back in the early 1980s......ya gotta think...........

"NYO"

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In a way, today's "rolling iPads" are built like tanks - toy tanks, that is. The type that, if you were to stomp on them, would be totally destroyed.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2026 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

Agreed.

Look at the old photos of scrapped "Standards" (aka "Broadway Battleships") stacked one on top of the other, with the car bodies still holding up, despite the crushing pressure.

Ditto for scrapped "Kramdens", piled one atop the other...........

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2026 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One picture is indeed worth a thousand words........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?112512

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