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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 58 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 4249 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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But have you noticed, on both "Tee-Yay" "Kramdens," how much of a slit peephole the right side sign box is compared with the left - unlike with FACCo, NYCO or FACL rolling stock. (And "Soiface" too, after FACL acquired them.)
In a sense, it was just as well they were on their last legs, at least they avoided the two-tone blue color scheme. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee

Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 29761 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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W.B. Fishbowl wrote: | But have you noticed, on both "Tee-Yay" "Kramdens," how much of a slit peephole the right side sign box is compared with the left - unlike with FACCo, NYCO or FACL rolling stock. (And "Soiface" too, after FACL acquired them.)
In a sense, it was just as well they were on their last legs, at least they avoided the two-tone blue color scheme. |
Agreed.
The two-tone "MTA" blue of the 70s was OK on the Fishbowls and the "Dangerfields", but would have, indeed, marred the dignity of those veteran "Kramdens" still in "soivice".
Personally, I could never understood the use of those narrow "slit" destination signs, on either the "Kramdens" or the "Pattons"............
"NYO"
["New York City Transit Authority"] |
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W.B. Fishbowl
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee

Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 29761 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
As I have often said in other topics, closing down the 69th St.Ferry was TOTALLY short-sided.
Given the extreme gridlock that plagues the "Vee-Zee" during rush hours these days, the old 69th Street ferries would have provided an excellent "alternate roure" for motorists.
Right up until the end in late 1964, during busy periods, all seven of the boats in the fleet would be in operation.
So much for "forward thinking" and "putting your eggs all in one basket".........
"NYO"
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 58 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 4249 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | W.B.:
As I have often said in other topics, closing down the 69th St.Ferry was TOTALLY short-sided.
Given the extreme gridlock that plagues the "Vee-Zee" during rush hours these days, the old 69th Street ferries would have provided an excellent "alternate roure" for motorists.
Right up until the end in late 1964, during busy periods, all seven of the boats in the fleet would be in operation.
So much for "forward thinking" and "putting your eggs all in one basket".........
"NYO"
["FERRIES TO BROOKLYN-KEEP RIGHT"] |
If they'd kept that 69th Street ferry, there'd be no need for this new "soivice." |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee

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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
IF vehicular ferries came back between "The Isle Of Staten" and Brooklyn (like it's really ever gonna happen!) NIMBYs, for sure, would raise all heck.
It would be fairly easy to building new slips/loading aprons at St. George (that small brick building just to the east of the main terminal was once the entrance to one of the 69th Street slips (the slips themselves, loading aprons, and other infrastructure was torn down decades ago)
On the Brooklyn side, the old 69yj St. pier is long, long gome, and a new pier stands in its place.
Brooklyn residents, for sure, would be protesting QUITE vocally, if long lines of vehicles waiting for ferries ever returned to the Bay Eridge area
And, sadly, NONE of the old 69th Street boats survive; AFAIK, the very last one to depart the harbor was "THE TIMES", later charted to the CNJ (1965-1967), before running in Coast Guard service for many years.
It indeed was MORE than shortsighted NOT to keep the 69th St. line as an option, for access to Brooklyn/Staten Island via auto (or truck)........
"Progress"..........
"NYO"
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 58 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 4249 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 4:10 am Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | W.B.:
IF vehicular ferries came back between "The Isle Of Staten" and Brooklyn (like it's really ever gonna happen!) NIMBYs, for sure, would raise all heck.
It would be fairly easy to building new slips/loading aprons at St. George (that small brick building just to the east of the main terminal was once the entrance to one of the 69th Street slips (the slips themselves, loading aprons, and other infrastructure was torn down decades ago)
On the Brooklyn side, the old 69yj St. pier is long, long gome, and a new pier stands in its place.
Brooklyn residents, for sure, would be protesting QUITE vocally, if long lines of vehicles waiting for ferries ever returned to the Bay Eridge area
And, sadly, NONE of the old 69th Street boats survive; AFAIK, the very last one to depart the harbor was "THE TIMES", later charted to the CNJ (1965-1967), before running in Coast Guard service for many years.
It indeed was MORE than shortsighted NOT to keep the 69th St. line as an option, for access to Brooklyn/Staten Island via auto (or truck)........
"Progress"..........
"NYO"
["THE TIDES"] |
That is, if cars were to be allowed on those ferries. 9/11 took care of that with the ferry we have now. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee

Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 29761 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 11:30 am Post subject: |
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W.B.:
After the intial "scare" following 9/11, I have no idea as to wha the SI Ferry never went back to carrying vehicles (again, in a emergency, there is no longer a direct vehicular alternative to go directly to Manhattan, via vehicular fery, from "the Isle of Staten" to Brooklyn)
Recall, the "BARBERI" class boats were the first in the fleet not to have vehicle-carrying capacities.
Out on San Francisco Bay, the "KEY SYSTEM's" boats also did not carry vehicles; remember, these boats only made connections with the electric trains at the "KEY" ferry pier (until 1939), so there was no need to have boats built to carry vehicles (like the current SI boats, the "KEY" ferries were also painted orange, and also connect with electric trains)........
"NYO"
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