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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 58 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 4249 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, how was it Brill never built a "Noo Yawk" subway for any of the three entities (as they were until "unification" in 1940)? |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee

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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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W.B. Fishbowl wrote: | Yeah, how was it Brill never built a "Noo Yawk" subway for any of the three entities (as they were until "unification" in 1940)? |
W.B.:
And yet, the mighty PSNJ, back in the days when they still rostered many hundreds of streetcars, operated large numbers of cars which were built by BRILL.........
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee

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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Note, also, that the first generation Market-Frankford cars (dead-ringers for IRT equipment) were ALL STEEL, unlike the "Composites" rostered by the INTERBOROUGH, prior to ordering only steel rolling stock.......
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee

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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2025 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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The second generation of Market-Frankford El were built by BRILL in the early 1920s; these cars featured early examples of "turtleback" roofs (like the "4000s" in "Shik-aga")
Note the prominent roof vents.
Sadly, none of the prewar Market-Frankford cars made it into preservation, even though they performed in work car service for a number of years..........
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?150795
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?78246
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee

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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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Last night's torrential rains and flooding.....
Saw on the news certain stations totally inundated, with raging torrents rushing down the stairways; one train had water seeping into the car.......wonder just what lines were affected? (1010 WINS said "multiple" numbered and lettered lines were affected by the flooding)
Another report said that the MTA hoped to have service back to normal by the AM rush (we had at least 3" rain here, is a little more than an hour!)
My street (on an incline) was like a canal raceway, and the side street intersection was TOTALLY under water and impassable.
Wondering how MTA buses were getting through..........
"NYO"
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 58 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 4249 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 12:43 am Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Last night's torrential rains and flooding.....
Saw on the news certain stations totally inundated, with raging torrents rushing down the stairways; one train had water seeping into the car.......wonder just what lines were affected? (1010 WINS said "multiple" numbered and lettered lines were affected by the flooding)
Another report said that the MTA hoped to have service back to normal by the AM rush (we had at least 3" rain here, is a little more than an hour!)
My street (on an incline) was like a canal raceway, and the side street intersection was TOTALLY under water and impassable.
Wondering how MTA buses were getting through..........
"NYO"
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No doubt with great difficulty, in response to your last question . . . I was at home when all this occurred. I refer to such rainfalls as "glug, glug, glug."
Wonder how much such flooding in the subways is attributable to the elimination of kiosks in the '60's, and how much to all those gratings on the sidewalks. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Further..........
Saw footage on "Eyewitness News at Noon" earlier, showing the raging flood waters cascading down the stairwells at the IRT's #1 train station at 23rd Street; people onboard at least one train were forced to stand on the seats, as water was coming into the car.
From what I heard, the West Side lines wree hit pretty hard, although other lines also had their share of related issues..........
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Also:
"Eyewitness News at 6" had a great report (by reporter Anthony Carlo) at the IRT station at 28th Street; NICE close-ups of the original mosaics!!
Could NOT believe the shot of a "Silverboid" shooting up huge sprays of water, as it pulled into the station; GEYSERS were gushing through the floor grates, and the water from the plaforms were seen flowing into a car with its doors open!
Some nice shots of "Silverboids" passing through the station, in both directions, as a "bonus"!
WHAT A MESS down there, for sure.....thankfully, NO injuries..........
"NYO"
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 58 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 4249 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Also:
"Eyewitness News at 6" had a great report (by reporter Anthony Carlo) at the IRT station at 28th Street; NICE close-ups of the original mosaics!!
Could NOT believe the shot of a "Silverboid" shooting up huge sprays of water, as it pulled into the station; GEYSERS were gushing through the floor grates, and the water from the plaforms were seen flowing into a car with its doors open!
Some nice shots of "Silverboids" passing through the station, in both directions, as a "bonus"!
WHAT A MESS down there, for sure.....thankfully, NO injuries..........
"NYO"
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Since the extension of the 28th Street station in the 1940's, they also had lettered and numbered tiles of "Eye-En-Dee" type mixed in with such original mosaics.
I don't know if you heard about a man who was stabbed several times in the head on a "Silverboid" at the 145th Street station of the #1 train. Over a seat! Sheesh . . .
https://youtu.be/Sq1wl60jqow
https://youtu.be/npIr5pskeh4
This was before the rains that made the subways look like a Venice, Italy subway system (a reference to their flooded streets where you have to cross by gondola). |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Between the brutal, violent stabbings nearly every day (and other altercations) and the mindless, asinine "surfing" atop the trains, all I can say is that the subways of today are NOT for the faint of heart, indeed.
NEVER thought I'd say this (the fellow who was known as "Motorman" at work), but I am MORE than fortunate that I have NO reason whatsoever to ride the subways again (and to think, I was virtually a "resident" at the NYCTM, virtually EVERY weekend, back in the early/mid-1980s).........
Man, do I miss the old days..........
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Just hoid.........
"Noo Yawk" is about to pass legislation banning the concept of "OPTO" on the subways, thus requiring a MOTORMAN (yes, I'm using the "traditional" term, here!) and a CONDUCTOR to be aboard EACH train.
Makes sense to me.........
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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CBS 2 News (at 11).........
Caught the tail end of Dick Brennan's report of yesterday's flooding in the subways; some good footage of the "Silverboids", still sporting their original roller curtain boxes.........
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee

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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 10:59 am Post subject: |
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Further on "OPTO".........
Recall, now, that the BMT's sleek articulated "GREEN HORNET" had the ability to be operated by a one-man crew.
Also, there had been some talk of having the "MULTI-SECTIONS" operated by a one-man crew.
Interestingly, the "GREEN HORNET" initiated the use of door chimes; novel as it was for its day, it would not be until the arrival of the "Fordy-Fours" in the early 1970s, that the door chimes would become standard on all new rolling stock......
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee

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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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Further.........
London's iconic "UndergrounD" ("tubes") have been "OPTO" for many a year now; long gone are the gdys when the guards (conductors) would operate the doors, and call out the names of the statios via good ol' fashioned lung power.
From what I've read, an insipid (recorded) female voice now does the announcements, mispronouncing the names of many stations.
"Progress".........
"NYO"
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 58 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 4249 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 10:34 am Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | From what I've read, an insipid (recorded) female voice now does the announcements, mispronouncing the names of many [Underground] stations. |
Just like here! On both the "rolling iPad" subways and BINO's. |
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