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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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W.B.:
Thanks for the link; will indeed enjoy this later this evening! 
Quick question for the expert...........
What was the FIRST roller curtains NOT to use the traditional white-on-black?
Wouldn't this have been around the time that the "R-40s" were entering service?
"NYO"
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | W.B.:
Thanks for the link; will indeed enjoy this later this evening!
Quick question for the expert...........
What was the FIRST roller curtains NOT to use the traditional white-on-black?
Wouldn't this have been around the time that the "R-40s" were entering service?
"NYO"
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It would seem. The R-40's certainly ushered in the age of "colored" subway routes, for sure. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
I see I was pretty much "on track" with this.
As with the roller curtains used on the buses, I wonder what transpired to replace signs with "all caps" to signs that utilized both upper and lower case letters (personally, I always thought that the "all caps" were much easier to read, not to mention looking more attractive)
These days, of course. "upper and lower case" signage (in/on trains, buses, stations, platforms, etc. is indeed the rule.
What were the first new buses to be equipped with "upper and lower case" roller curtains?
The first subway cars to have them, as delivered (as opposed to having them installed later, replacing the older signs)?
"NYO"
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | W.B.:
I see I was pretty much "on track" with this.
As with the roller curtains used on the buses, I wonder what transpired to replace signs with "all caps" to signs that utilized both upper and lower case letters (personally, I always thought that the "all caps" were much easier to read, not to mention looking more attractive)
These days, of course. "upper and lower case" signage (in/on trains, buses, stations, platforms, etc. is indeed the rule.
What were the first new buses to be equipped with "upper and lower case" roller curtains?
The first subway cars to have them, as delivered (as opposed to having them installed later, replacing the older signs)?
"NYO"
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In answer to your queries:
- Buses: The late 1968 "Tee-Yay" order of small-bullet A/C Fishbowls (with 50 "batwings" tucked in there, the last buses ever ordered by them that would have them); for " 'stoa," the early 1970 A/C "Dangerfields"
- Subways: R-40M's and R-42's |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Appreciate the info.
In thinking back, PSNJ/TNJ (and the old "indies" I grew up with) never went over to the "upper-and-lower-case" format, but, instead stuck with the old, tried-and-true "all caps" format.
On a related note, ESPEE's famed Oakland Pier rail/ferry terminal (closed 1958) was utilizing "upper-and-lower-case" signs as far back as the 1930s.......
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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Where have 61 years gone........ 
On this day in 1963, the first of the handsome and iconic WF "Bluebirds" ("Blueboids") entered service on the #7 Flushing line.
Hard to believe these handsome, sturdy, reliable workhorses have now been gone 21 years.....we still miss them today..................
"NYO"
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?4036 (a Fishbowl can just be glimpsed in the background in this photo)
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?4034
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?128505
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Wasn't it in 1963 that the first of those iconic cars entered service? I know by the time of the World's Fair the #7 line was basically "set for life" in terms of such rolling stock. Apart from its LAHT build and its "Bluebird" color scheme, this was otherwise basically an "Eye-Are-Tee" version of the Budd-built stainless steel R-32's which began to come in near the end of the '64 World's Fair season. And the key? The European-style side passenger windows, and the way in which the side double-door windows were positioned and sized. That and the exteriors.
And yes, they are indeed all missed.
On pic #4036, that Fishbowl in the background was evidently one of the "Bullets" that entered service that spring for " 'stoa," one of those assigned to the 132d Street depot. It was also three years, three months and 11 days before "Fifth Aven-yew" became one-way southbound. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
That "1964" was a typo on my part; thanks for the heads-up!
You now have me thinking; imagine, now, had the "WF" cars been built by BUDD instead of St. Louis ("Brightliner Jrs."?)
Perhaps, then, the cars would have been dubbed "Silverbirds" ("Silverboids" in "Noo Yawk" lingo?)
Think of the lightweight BUDD "Almond Joys" that had ruled the Market-Frankford El down in Philly for decades; I keep picturing cars like these as replacements for the elderly wooden "Q" cars on the "Moit", had the line not been slated for abandonment in the 1960s............
"NYO"
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: On this day in 1964, we beheld the glorious future...... |
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Seeing that picture, what would have been used for signalling? |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Funny you brought this up; I've been long curious as to the type of signalling used for the AMF monorail trains at the Fair (did they, perhaps, utilize cab signalling of some sort?)
Man, I STILL recall the rides Mom and my older brother took on those sleek, futuristic "trains" (I STILL remember how new and "cool" they smelled, once aboard!) 
Man, where has six decades gotten to? 
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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W.B.:
Just got this little bit of info..........
The 1964/1965 World's Fair AMF monorail ran seven two-car trains; three trains ran in one direction on one loop, while four trains ran on the other loop, in the opposite direction.
From what I read, all trains were "autromatically controlled" with an attendant on board.......
"NYO"
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | You now have me thinking; imagine, now, had the "WF" cars been built by BUDD instead of St. Louis ("Brightliner Jrs."?)
Perhaps, then, the cars would have been dubbed "Silverbirds" ("Silverboids" in "Noo Yawk" lingo?) |
That's one end of the equation. I kept thinking about, what if, conversely, St. Louis had built the R-32's? Same "Blueboid" paint scheme on the exterior? A "Bee-Em-Tee" version in the same way the R-27/30 was of the "Eye-Are-Tee's" R-29, and the R-16 of the R-17? |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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W.B.:
All I can say is, had St. Louis built the "R-32s", they would have been STUNNING (to say the least!) in that handsome "Blueboid" scheme, for sure!
Now......just imagine the "AMF" monorail cars painted in the "Blueboid" scheme.......
"NYO"
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