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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:33 am    Post subject: 'Queens Nassau ACF Brill' Reply with quote

Mr. RT,

Thanks for your help.

Would the three groups of Brills that you mention comprise the entire pre war Queens Nassau bus Fleet?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:40 am    Post subject: 'Queens Nassau Transit Lines # 710' Reply with quote

Pictured below is Queens Nassau Transit Lines # 710 - a 1951 GM TDH 4509 (ser# 1867) on the Q 34 route heading westbound on Northern Boulevard toward Queens Boulevard circa early fifties.

Notice the optional custom directional signal fixtures and the split passenger safety sashes.

# 710 was part of a thirty bus order numbered 701 to 730 delivered to the company in December 1951.

Photograph taken by Joseph P. Saitta (courtesy of Dennis M. Linsky).

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:55 pm    Post subject: 'Queens Nassau # 814' Reply with quote

Pictured below is a Queens Nassau Transit Lines 1952 TDH 5104 (ser# 0044) fleet # 814 shown on the Q66 route heading to Main Street and Roosevelt Avenue on Northern Boulevard in Flushing Queens sometime in the mid fifties.

Notice the modified Thermo-Matic exhaust vent over the rear passenger window, the lack of passenger safety split sashes that Q/N opted for on earlier models and the sealed ventilation doors under the windshield.

# 814 was part of a twenty unit group numbered 801 to 820 and delivered to the property in October 1952.

Photograph taken by Joseph P. Saitta and provided by Dennis M. Linsky.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:54 am    Post subject: Re: 'Queens Nassau Transit Lines # 710' Reply with quote

Mr. Linsky wrote:
Pictured below is Queens Nassau Transit Lines # 710 - a 1951 GM TDH 4509 (ser# 1867) on the Q 34 route heading westbound on Northern Boulevard toward Queens Boulevard circa early fifties.

Notice the optional custom directional signal fixtures and the split passenger safety sashes.

# 710 was part of a thirty bus order numbered 701 to 730 delivered to the company in December 1951.

Photograph taken by Joseph P. Saitta (courtesy of Dennis M. Linsky).

Mr. Linsky
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Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica & Arverne, NY




As an addendum to the information contained in the above Queens Nassau 1951 GM TDH 4509 review;

Fleet #'s 711, 712, 713, 715, 716, 720, 721, 722 and 725 sold to Port Authority of Allegheny County - Pittsburg, Pa. and renumbered as 433, 439, 426, 427, 438, 434, 428, 429 and 430 respectively.

The sale took place sometime in the early sixties.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:10 pm    Post subject: 'Queens Nassau Roster' Reply with quote

In an effort to build an actual Queens Nassau roster, I add the following information;

GM 1960 TDH 5302 - Fleet # 903 & 907 (ser# 055 & 059) delivered in May of 1960, and sold to Chicago and Calumet Transit District, Hammond, Ind. as renumbered 2018 and 2019 in August 1964.

An interesting note; it would seem as though Chicago and Calumet liked to shop for their buses in New York with a number from both Steinway and Green also joining their fleet.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:32 am    Post subject: And now.....another one. Reply with quote

Looks like bus# 710 is at the garage at 51st and Northern blvd, facing eastbound.

#814 looks a block or 2 further east, also facing eastbound.

Here is another one (#813)...guess the location.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:56 am    Post subject: And another one........ Reply with quote

From right here, in the Bus Talk III gallery.

#878 on the Q25/34 at 160 st, just off
Jamaica avenue (looks like 90 th avenue)
on 4-9-71. Joe Testagrosse collection.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

F.T.

RE; Q/N # 813;

This is just a stab in the dark because I'm not that familiar with northern Queens but I would say that the shape of the steel work of the bridge under which # 813 has just passed could be a Long Island Rail Road line and possibly the Port Washington branch (where though, I don't know).

As I said, it's a stab in the dark!

Really great pictures!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll take a guess and say that Q-NT 813 is on Northern Blvd. at 54th St. in Woodside (under the viaduct for the NY Connecting RR spur from east end Sunnyside yard to Hell gate Bridge approach).
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:58 pm    Post subject: 'Queens Nassau' #103' Reply with quote

Pictured below is Queens Nassau Transit Lines # 103 traveling along Queens Boulevard in Forest Hills probably during the blizzard of December 1947.

Notice what appears to be a temporary license plate hanging from the bumper which may mean that the bus was not as yet permanently registered.

# 103 is a 1947 ACF Brill model C-44 delivered to the company sometime in 1947 as part of an order of either ten (101 to 110) or twenty (101 to 120) like coaches (the records within this forum conflict on just how many did arrive).

Photo courtesy of www.oldkewgardens.com

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:22 am    Post subject: Re: Queens Transit Company History Reply with quote

Q65A wrote:
I had posted the following article on BTN sometime in 2006:

From New York City Transit Buses 1945-1975 Photo Archive (2005, Guy Martin, Iconografix; pp. 116-117):

ďLike other Queens bus corporations, Queens Transit and its subsidiary Steinway Transit trace their history to streetcar routes. In 1932 the New York and Queens County Railway was succeeded by the New York and Queens County Transit Corp. Buses from the newly-formed Queens-Nassau Transit Corp. replaced streetcars in 1937. Likewise, the Steinway Railway converted to buses in 1938, operating under the name Steinway Transit.

Queens-Nassau Transit began with a fleet of new 41-passenger ACF H-16-S buses numbered 20 through 74. One additional ACF, #81, arrived in 1942.
In a departure for New York operators that were standardizing on GM or Mack buses in the postwar era, Queens-Nassau bought 10 new ACF-Brills in 1947. GM diesels didnít arrive until October 1951 when 30 TDH-4509s were purchased. These were supplemented by 20 51-passenger TDH-5104s in October 1952, followed by 20 more TDH-5106s in September 1954.

Queens-Nassau Transit Lines operated from their garage, a former carbarn, in Woodside, Queens. In 1957, a new garage was built on 28th Ave. in College Point, Queens. When Queens-Nassau Transit Lines moved into its new headquarters on August 23, 1957, it changed its name to Queens Transit Corp.

By the 1960ís, Queens Transit operated all GM buses. A delivery of 25 new-look TDH-5302s, numbered 901 through 925, in April and May of 1960, displaced the last of the ACF-Brills. Three deliveries totaling 20 96-inch TDH-5304s, numbered 101 through 120, were received in 1963-64. Thirty GM T6H-5306As, numbered 146 through 175, were received in four deliveries between 1969 and 1971. Fifty-five T8H-5308s, numbered 716 through 770, completed the GM roster in 1975-76.

Initially, the company was granted franchises by the city to operate four routes in central and western Queens. The Q-25/34 and Q-65 provided parallel service between 160th St. and Jamaica Ave., Jamaica, and different neighborhoods in College Point via Flushing. The 25/34 operated via Parsons Blvd., while the Q-65 ran primarily along 164th St. The Q-66 was a straight run along Northern Blvd. from Flushing to Woodside. The Q-67 was a serpentine route from Long Island City to Maspeth and Middle Village. In 1951, a new franchise was granted for the Q-65A, a short but lucrative route connecting the Q-65 at 164th St. and Jewel Ave. to the IND subway at Queens Blvd. Service was inaugurated on November 1 of that year.


Bob,

Something of interest that you might want to add to an all time Queens/Steinway roster;

Three Queens-Steinway Transit 1971 GM T8H 5307A's (fleet #'s 771, 772 & 788) were sold in 1980 to The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey (and became their fleet #'s 212 to 214) principally for use as shuttles at JFK.

Apparently, these buses were originally bought used by QST because the records of Ohio Museum of Transportation indicate that they were purchased new by the Port of Authority of Allegheny County (Pittsburg Pa.) in an order that included Ser#'s 0001 to 0185 (QST's were 0001, 0002 and 0018).

Interestingly, 'PONYA' also purchased used New Looks from other local operators including Schenck Transportation and Suffolk Bus Company.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Queens Transit Company History Reply with quote

Q65A wrote:
I had posted the following article on BTN sometime in 2006:

From New York City Transit Buses 1945-1975 Photo Archive (2005, Guy Martin, Iconografix; pp. 116-117):

Queens-Nassau Transit Lines operated from their garage, a former carbarn, in Woodside, Queens. In 1957, a new garage was built on 28th Ave. in College Point, Queens. When Queens-Nassau Transit Lines moved into its new headquarters on August 23, 1957, it changed its name to Queens Transit Corp.


Two minor follow-ups.

1 - The carbarn was at 5100 Northern Blvd. The waiting room and entrance remains as part of the shopping center.

2 - According to the New York News and Notes section of the July/August
1993 issue of Motor Coach Age, ground was broken on May 5, 1993 for a new $39 million depot, to replace two old garages. The new site that we now call College Point Depot is on 26th Ave between 127th and Ulmer Streets.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Queens Transit Company History Reply with quote

.[/quote]

Bob,

Something of interest that you might want to add to an all time Queens/Steinway roster;

Three Queens-Steinway Transit 1971 GM T8H 5307A's (fleet #'s 771, 772 & 788) were sold in 1980 to The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey (and became their fleet #'s 212 to 214) principally for use as shuttles at JFK.

Apparently, these buses were originally bought used by QST because the records of Ohio Museum of Transportation indicate that they were purchased new by the Port of Authority of Allegheny County (Pittsburg Pa.) in an order that included Ser#'s 0001 to 0185 (QST's were 0001, 0002 and 0018).

Interestingly, 'PONYA' also purchased used New Looks from other local operators including Schenck Transportation and Suffolk Bus Company.

Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, NY[/quote]

NO! Queens Transit 771-795 were built by General Motors Diesel Division in CANADA, model T8H5307A, with serial numbers M001-M025 (NOT 0001-0025). They were then LEASED to Queens Surface as 771-795 and eventually resold to everywhere (including PANYNJ).

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob,

Not that I'm trying to excuse myself out of a mistake, but the blame for this one goes to Motor Coach Age in which the buses were described as T8H 5307's with no mention of a Canadian heritage.

I would have had absolutely no reason to review the Canadian files under these circumstances.

Although the record should be corrected as you have done, the focus of the information was really on the fact that they went to the Port Authority regardless of where they were built.

Sorry about the error.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The shots of those TDH-5104's really jog some old memories!
When I was a kid just starting out in elementary school (1963), each morning we would wait for the light green & yellow IH-Superior Coach school bus (operated by Children's Bus Service Inc.) at the intersection of 162nd St. & 71st Avenue, right at the "very bottom" of Electchester's First Housing.
A steady stream of eastbound Q65A's would parade on past to their stand at 164th St. & 71st Avenue; they were in a hurry to turn around and head back westbound to the IND subway at Continental Ave. with rush hour crowds from Electchester, Pomonok, and lots of other apartment complexes.
The low numbered 800 series didn't seem to last long, and I never got the chance to ride one, but the TDH-5106's that followed really lasted a long time, and I had the opportunity to ride most of them on the Q65A, Q65, and Q25/34.
That color shot of 878 "at the stand" on 160th ST. & Jamaica Avenue also jogs some memories. Those were acquired by QTC as used buses; I believe they were ex-Detroit Street Railways TDH-5105's (a rarity on QTC, since all their other GM Old Looks were 96" wide). These ex-DSR units had turn signal levers mounted at the RH of their steering columnss, while QTC's TDH-5106's had floor mounted turn signal switches. The Detroiters also had round turn signals at the front (instead of the "lighted arrows" seen on the TDH-5104's, also used on the 5106's) and high mounted round stop & turn signals at the rear (mounted just beneath the lower edge of the rear windows). As I recall, these units also had the full gauge complement (i.e. larger speedo & air pressure gauges separated by 3 smaller gauges for oil pressure, water temp, and volts).
NYCTA at the time also had a big fleet of TDH-5106's running in Queens with two tone green livery (light green above the window line, dark green below).The TA units had push-type exit doors, something that QTC only would start to use on their new Fishbowls; QTC Old Looks used 4-panel jackknife doors front and rear. The TA' s 5106's also had big pantograph-style wiper arms (commonly seen on Fishbowls, but rare for Old Looks), and round front turn signals. Rear lamps (mounted in the middle of the engine access doors) were 2 small lamps on each side, stacked one above the other. My elementary school, located at the corner of Parsons Blvd. & Union Tpke., saw QTC's buses working the Q25/34 (which I rode to and from home from 1968-1971) and TA's buses working what was then called the Q44A (based at Flushing Depot, which today is called Casey Stengel Depot; today's Q46 runs out of QV).
Thanks for these memories; they're all good!
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