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Alek
Age: 60 Joined: 07 Jul 2012 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:29 pm Post subject: Lee Harvey Oswald bus |
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Hi,
I'm researching the bus that Lee Harvey Oswald rode on the fateful afternoon of November 22, 1963.
Testimony described it as follows:
"Bus No. 433 was delivered [to the Dallas Transit Company] on September 2, 1952, by the White Motor Company."
"He described this bus as a White passenger bus equipped with Cummins diesel engine. "
photographs of the coach are available here:
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Photos_-_WCD_Photos_-_Bus_and_Taxi_Photos_-_p1
I wondering if anyone can identify the model more specifically.
It appears to me to be a GM "old-look" model, but I understand GM didn't offer air conditioning until 1958.
Thanks,
Alek |
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traildriver
Joined: 26 Mar 2011 Posts: 2467 Location: South Florida
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:22 am Post subject: |
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What a great find!
Sorry, I can't help you with the specific model of that White. I don't know much about A/C either, except that there were some 'after-market' type units that may have been added to original non A/C buses by their operators in that era.
I'll never forget where I was on that day.....my sixteenth birthday.
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Mr. Linsky BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 5071 Location: BRENTWOOD, CA. - WOODMERE, N.Y.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like this is a job for 'Super L'!
The bus (Dallas Transit # 433 pictured) is a White Motor Company Model 1150-DW (DW meaning Diesel Equipped/102 inches wide) dating to 1952 and was equipped with a Cummins Diesel engine tied to a White built 'Hydro-Torque' automatic transmission.
The 1100 series White came through with a standard fresh air intake over the destination sign much like GM's ThermoMatic but, in the case of Dallas, you'll note that on #433, and however many others of its ilk, the intake was blocked when the company installed their own 'after market' air conditioners - White never produced an air conditioner.
Only 210 1150 DW's were built by White between 1951 and 1953 and I would suspect that a goodly number went to Dallas although their are no production records or company rosters available to substantiate that.
Photo courtesy of the Warren Commission.
Mr. Linsky - Green Bus Lines, Inc., Jamaica, New York
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HwyHaulier
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 932 Location: Harford County, MD
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Alek - Mr 'L' - traildriver - All -
Concur this an example of WHITE 1150-DW. Fairly rare type, with few operators. Greater part of all
production went to CAPITAL TRANSIT of Washington, DC.
Your writer has long thought these were excellent coaches. Just came to market at the wrong time,
with little buyer interest. IIRC, Washington did not attempt after market A/C on its fleet. Otherwise,
your writer rode these many times in DC!
........................Vern........................ |
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shortlineMCI
Age: 54 Joined: 07 May 2007 Posts: 241
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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it just blows me mind what we can find on the "Net" |
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andrethebusman
Age: 71 Joined: 27 Dec 2011 Posts: 21 Location: Chicago IL
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:09 am Post subject: |
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HwyHaulier wrote: | Alek - Mr 'L' - traildriver - All -
Concur this an example of WHITE 1150-DW. Fairly rare type, with few operators. Greater part of all
production went to CAPITAL TRANSIT of Washington, DC.
Your writer has long thought these were excellent coaches. Just came to market at the wrong time,
with little buyer interest. IIRC, Washington did not attempt after market A/C on its fleet. Otherwise,
your writer rode these many times in DC!
........................Vern........................ |
First a correction - Dallas Ry & Terminal 401-454 were 1144-D-2 not 1150's, a bit smaller.
Second: 1150DW's were as follows:
150 Capital Transit (Washington) 5400-5549
53 Cleveland Transit System 2947-2999 (2947-2949 ex demos)
5 Maple Heights Transit (Suburban Cleveland) 300,310,320,330,340
5 Fifth Ave Coach 2600-2604 |
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Mr. Linsky BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 5071 Location: BRENTWOOD, CA. - WOODMERE, N.Y.
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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Just a note on the five Fifth Avenue Coach 1150-D-7's for New York;
Per state law at the time, these buses were the only ones mentioned in the group above that came through in a 96 inch width.
BTW; they didn't last too long with FACCO and wound up in Memphis by 1960.
If I'm correct, I believe 'Frankie' posted this photo originally - if not, I apologize to the member who did for not remembering.
Regards,
Mr. 'L'
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