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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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(SEE PREVIOUS POSTS/PHOTOS)
"AV" displayed by "Torpedo" #PA 2421, encrusted by typical "Noo Yawk" winter grime..........
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156284
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W.B. Fishbowl
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As I've said, Luminator LIDS IV controls for that electronic front and side sign used the fonts from Signetics 2513's 2513N / CM2140 chip (and derivatives such as General Instrument's RO3-2513):
https://www.thealmightyguru.com/Wiki/images/c/ce/Signetics_2513_-_CM2140_-_Characters.png
They were joined at the hip with the "Borough Bombers," as that was also on the buses the private Queens companies acquired. |
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Note the period after "AVE." in this photo of PSNJ/TNJ ("Jetson") Fishbowl "R321", taken at the old PS Terminal at Journal Square, back in '73.............
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154505
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. . . and between '42' and 'PIER'. They used the extra condensed font for that bunch of front roll signs. Later such roll signs used the condensed version. |
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W.B.:
I am sure I asked this quite awhile back, but, anyway........
What were the last orders of Fishbowls and "Dangerfields" to be furnished with "all cap" roller curtains?
Thanks......
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | W.B.:
I am sure I asked this quite awhile back, but, anyway........
What were the last orders of Fishbowls and "Dangerfields" to be furnished with "all cap" roller curtains?
Thanks......
"NYO"
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The last Fishbowls to have all caps would have been some of the first set of T6H-5309A's and 5310A's made for the "Tee-Yay" in early 1972 which inaugurated the two-tone blue scheme - but very limited and in some depots; for those in their entirety, it would have been the 1971 set of T6H-5305A's (4300-4499) which were the last to boast the green paint job at the outset.
As for "Dangerfields," the last all-cap roll sign lot would have been the 1965-66 order (5601-5790); both the "Tee-Yay's" and " 'stoa's" 1969-70 sets would have had upper and lower case.
Photos of those buses when new would have told the whole story. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 10:15 am Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Thanks for the info; am surprised that even a handful of new buses were furnished with "all caps" at such a late date (I'm glad the "Kramdens" and "Pattons" retained "all caps" until retirement)
PSNJ/TNJ never "updated" their roller signs with "upper and lower case" curtains; they remained "all caps" until the end.
Ditto the Hudson County "indies" of that era..........
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | W.B.:
Thanks for the info; am surprised that even a handful of new buses were furnished with "all caps" at such a late date (I'm glad the "Kramdens" and "Pattons" retained "all caps" until retirement)
PSNJ/TNJ never "updated" their roller signs with "upper and lower case" curtains; they remained "all caps" until the end.
Ditto the Hudson County "indies" of that era..........
"NYO"
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Yep, some of the pics you put up from Brooklyn near the "Willy B" clearly showed the spanking new (and in some cases, graffiti-laden) T6H-5309A's with all cap front roll signs. Must've been in some depots, while others got newly-made upper and lower case. |
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W.B.:
As I had mentioned, it's funny how "upper and lower case" curtains were not to be seen here in "Joisey", AFAIK.
It was clearly roller curtains ("all caps") being retired along with the buses they were installed in, and then going straight onto electronic signage when the "new era" in buses began in the early/mid-1980s........
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From my understanding, it was the B-54 bus. Its terminus was at Jay Street, just like the "el." Can't tell whether or not there was increased "soivice" on that line when the "el" came down, but before June 8, 1954 it terminated at Washington Street; and since 1960 its depot was Fresh Pond in Queens. Thus whatever buses were assigned to that depot was what were used for B-54.
And, it started life in 1949 as a streetcar route. Definitely converted by the 1957 photo. |
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